Entering into the ATG list

[cardstars]

This is going to sound like a stupid question, because its very opinion based and relies on a lot of factors, but when does a fighter get consideration for being placed on the ATG list? Formulas never really work, but if you had to put a formula, or label on it, what would it be? After "X" amount of belts in different weight classes, "X" amount of title defenses, "X" amount of wins against top 10 guys, etc....

[Sweet Pea]

I think it all comes down to what he does in the ring, not on paper, otherwise a guy like Sven Ottke would be considered an ATG. There's really no set formula.

[cardstars]

I knew Ottke would come up. LOL. I myself don't really have much of an atg list (yet), so I guess I was just curious if you guys have a general idea of when someone is really close to cracking it. Ya know, something like multiple titles in 3-4 different weight classes, or 10 title defenses with 4 coming against #1 ranked guys, etc

[teeto]

Its the most subjective thing to ever debate imo

[kg0208]

Don't know that there is a formula per say. I do think that certain things get you in automatically. Total domination over other ATG's will certainly gain you consideration (if the ATG are in or near their primes). Domination of a deep division or multiple divisions will put a fighter into that league as well.

[dan-b]

Unifying a division helps, if you don't move up a division it at least shows total domination over your own weight class. Kostya Tszyu was an example of this. Of course the opposition of the opponents are a major factor but, generally, unifying the titles of the "big three" will mean you have had to face at least one other "elite" fighter.

Hopkins had Trinidad, Tszyu had Judah, Winky had Mosley & Lewis had Holyfield. Unification is still a good thing.

[smoochp]

Originally Posted by dan-b

Unifying a division helps, if you don't move up a division it at least shows total domination over your own weight class. Kostya Tszyu was an example of this. Of course the opposition of the opponents are a major factor but, generally, unifying the titles of the "big three" will mean you have had to face at least one other "elite" fighter.

Hopkins had Trinidad, Tszyu had Judah, Winky had Mosley & Lewis had Holyfield. Unification is still a good thing.

Very true, also think of Calzaghe before the fight with Hop. He unified the whole class at SMW. To bad fights against B-Hop, Jones, and Johnson never happened in his prime. Besides Johnson you can put blame in all three, but that's politics. Other than that he unified all the belts and fought every fighter at the time. He also dominated his so called two biggest threats in Kessler and Lacy. Just at Tszyu did with Judah and everyone else. Too bad he never got a rematch with Phillips or fought Hoya and Mosley. But of course since he's older they want him to fight the world know. I like Cal but he's not one of my favorites.