Igor

Hey, I've been working on this video for a while now and it's nearly finished, I just want to rearrange some parts of it and add clips from one early Guzman fight, plus clips from the Campbell fight. The final version of it will obviously be done after September 13th.

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What do you guys think? I'm happy with it for the most part, but some clips could fit better with the music and the part where I have clips of his staredowns/etc is a bit strange.

jecxbox

fuck yea! Great fucking video! Perfect music too! It's a shame that he hasn't been able to get his shots at greater opposition at a younger age.

Igor

Thanks. He's used this song during his entrance a number of times, so it was an obvious choice.

Yeah, it's sad as hell that he had a lot of bad luck throughout his career and we will never know how good he could have been at 122-126 years ago. But if he impresses in the Campbell fight and wins 3 of the lightweight titles, he will become a big name at 135 and a lot more people will be demanding matchups between him and the other names at LW. He still has time to create a great legacy, it's not like he's a Morales 32. He's not exactly a Hopkins 32 either, but his reflexes have not faded and his somewhat questionable stamina could actually improve at 135, where he won't have to drain a ton of weight. He's had ups and downs with his stamina (and hand injuries) since he was at 122. Since he became champion the first time, there haven't been almost any fights where he didn't either drain a lot of weight or just come in over the weight limit. And although he wasn't a huge fighter physically at 130, his physical strength was still impressive and his chin still seems undentable. Who knows.. IMO he's capable of beating everybody from Pac, Diaz, and JMM to junior welters like Hatton and Torres during the next few years. A Gamboa matchup doesn't seem very likely now that they moved farther away from eachother, but I still can't ignore that unreal matchup down the line.

jecxbox

I can picture him getting a few wins at 135lbs and then everyone else retiring. Forcing him to move up to 140lbs because of age and lack of opposition.

It will be kinda fun to see him pull a James Toney like move (not saying turning into a fat cow) but moving up in weight and beating guys soley on his defensive slicks and well timed shots. I think he should be able to pull that off at 140lbs because the opposition only gets slower as you move up in weight.

His chin should allow him to move up in weight as well, who knows, either way it should be fun to watch because I think he is definitely going to drag out his boxing career.

Igor

It would be shocking to see Guzman successful past 140. The Campbell fight might tell us a lot about Guzman's future potential.. his stamina and speed, maybe even his punching power (which I think was very underrated at 130).

The Toney comparison is interesting, but I think Guzman is a much different case because of how much he depends on movement and footspeed. He can't fight much larger top fighters just standing in the pocket and exchanging with them for 12 rounds.

jecxbox

You don't think he can stay in the pocket...hmm maybe not, but it could play to his advantage as that helps maintain a fighters stamina. It might take some time for Guzman to get accustomed to fighting that way, But I think he could pull it off vs some guys at 140lbs. I honestly think he can pull that off vs the B level competition at 140lbs. But picture a fight with Ricky Hatton and Juan Guzman? Oh man, what a classic that would be! With Ricky's quick feet he'd have no choice but to eventually fight in the pocket off the ropes and it would make for a great great scrap lol.

Igor

Guzman isn't as crafty or skilled defensively as Toney on the inside (who is?), but I do think he's still effective enough to handle 140 pound B level pressure fighters in the pocket as long as he doesn't have stamina issues or becomes a much slower fighter than expected at junior welter. He wouldn't be able to handle them the way Toney would inside for 12 rounds though, he would still have to use a lot of movement and clinch more.

Toney's success at HW is an extremely rare thing in boxing. He was a MW who moved up and arguably beat a solid B level large, very physically strong HW in Peter without even using a running/potshotting type of strategy. I can't see Guzman getting a moving up in weight win like the Toney-Peter example, but I can see him beating someone like Hatton, (which would be similar to Jones moving up and beating Ruiz, but most likely a very competitive fight), especially since Hatton is fading.

cardstars

Fucking awesome man. I love how when the music slowed down to that kind of goofy beat you showed him clowning people, that fit perfectly. One of my favs is when he takes a couple flush shots from Jandaeng and he just sticks his chin out, nods his head, and grins. Truly granite chin

cardstars

And btw good timing with this vid. I am already hyping up the Campbell fight with my buddies, so I will for sure be showing this to them

Igor

I might include some more of his reactions to getting hit in the next video, like laughing or answering back with a feint that scares his opponent more than the opponent's punch scared him. Guzman needs to beat Campbell first before I start thinking about the next video though.. it could turn out to be a tough fight.

I've never even seen Guzman get affected by a punch a tiny bit. His calmness in the ring at all times is truly amazing. The closest he's been to any kind of panic or nervousness was probably the last round of the Beltran fight, but he was extremely weight drained there and he didn't look like he was in trouble at all, he just seemed more uncomfortable in that situation than I've ever seen him. The scorecards for that fight were bullshit too.

Cool. Guzman is one of the fighters that I don't even try to hype up to my friends that much anymore, mostly because I'd rather watch Guzman-Campbell by myself and enjoy it without comments about running, too much defensive work, etc. Same with JMM-Casa. But Diaz-Katsidis I will definitely be hyping and watching with a large group.. not hard to get casual fans excited about that.

cardstars

Yeh you have a point there. I couldn't even get my friends interested in Pac/JMM II. But what I have been doing lately to get them more interested is commentating the entire fight. I know it sounds annoying as hell, but I try to tell them exactly what each fighter is doing, or trying to do imo (from a non-biased standpoint), while also giving my predictions on whats panning out and what isn't,,,,so basically I have become the commentator. They have caught on, and seem to like this. I don't mind at all either, cause then I dont miss even a second of the fight cause everyone is intent on watching and listening. I've only done this twice so far, but its worked great. I might have caught onto something here......

Igor

I do this too a lot of times (often without noticing), most recently for Judah-Clottey where I was concentrating a lot on the mental/physical breakdown of Zab as the rounds went by. During most HBO fights I also go off on a rant about Howard Lederman's scorecards. I'm not sure if it really makes them get into the fight more though.. it's difficult to make casual type of boxing fans who only like slugfests get interested in any technical fights period. People who get bored by MAB-JMM usually don't want to listen to boxing analysis and reasons why a fighter is having success with something particular or explaining the adjustments he made during a fight. They just want to see reckless back and forth action.

I've found that the best way to get friends into a fight where they don't know much about the fighters is to make them bet on it, but it's dangerous to do for obvious reasons. Still, almost every time I've told them to bet on something, they've won, so they continue to do it once in a while. The funniest example is when I told my cousin to put money on Pavlik beating Taylor in the first fight. He was going nuts, telling me I don't know shit when Pavlik got dropped (I was going pretty nuts as well), but that made the Pavlik KO even more satisfying. The retard ended up putting some money on Taylor in the rematch when I told him he didn't have a chance and lost that money he made though. Calaghe-Hopkins is another good example.. I had to calm everyone down when Calzaghe got dropped in the first because they thought he was going to get stopped. Good thing I didn't tell them to bet on Cotto-Margarito, I would probably still be catching shit for that today..

BTW, I need to message you about some betting lines that came up this month. Damn.. Calzaghe-Jones under at +285, Abraham-Marquez under at +125, Mosley under at +145, Forrest win at nearly even, Dawson only a 2/1 favorite, Diaz under, etc.. I thought I would stop betting these next two months and just enjoy boxing without it for a while, but these lines are too good.

kangol11368

Hey Igor, great video. How did you get that song and all that great footage? It worked great. Became a member just to comment and give you props. As a Joan Guzman fan I loved it and I know if he ever saw this video on you tube he would love it as well. Cant wait for the Campbell fight to see what other amazing footage awaits us. Guzman is a truly understimated P4P fighter with the talent to clean the whole 135 division if given the opportunity that always seems to elude him. Again, great video.

Igor

Thanks man. I downloaded the videos/song. The only other fight that I know was televised is from 1997 (his second fight) and I'm going to end up getting that one from a dvd site. I'm excited as hell for the Campbell fight too. Guzman is going to be extremely motivated to win these titles and look impressive. He can clean out the division while Pac makes circus fights at higher weights.

Benny Blanco

Huki what's the name of the song I want to DL myself.