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[dan-b]

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[Sir Amsterdam]

Good, waste of time.

[DanePugilist]

This is comedy. Hopkins plays the bad man to hype up the first fight, and now he is victimized due to it. Hopkins should just fight RJJ, and then hang up the gloves imho. He should be proud of what he has accomplished.

Calzaghe will probably have to wait 5 years till people will start saying: "Damn, that man had a fighters heart, and damn he could fight - very underrated.".

Hopkins, bend over - you just got axed.

[dan-b]

What's comedy is your veiled hate for Hopkins. At least I'm open about mine towards Calzaghe. Where is he claiming to be a victim? He wants a rematch, much like Reid did after he lost a split to Calzaghe.

While we're on the subject of rematches. I find it interesting that Calzaghe claims to not be interested in them when he managed to make time for a second fight with Mario Veit, a man he KO'd in one round.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by dan-b

What's comedy is your veiled hate for Hopkins. At least I'm open about mine towards Calzaghe. Where is he claiming to be a victim? He wants a rematch, much like Reid did after he lost a split to Calzaghe.

While we're on the subject of rematches. I find it interesting that Calzaghe claims to not be interested in them when he managed to make time for a second fight with Mario Veit, a man he KO'd in one round.

who are you speaking to about "veiled hate"?

also - wasnt veit a mandatory or something - the second time?

[Samurai]

Calz really doesn't like Bernard

[dan-b]

Originally Posted by Jay

who are you speaking to about "veiled hate"?

also - wasnt veit a mandatory or something - the second time?

I'm speaking to the person who I quoted.

Do you not think at that point in his career Joe should've maybe been thinking "sod the WBO, I'm above their worthless strap"?

[Jay]

maybe he (like many others) didnt feel it was worthless.

imagine he gave it up - he would have been in a worse position, he was arguably the highest risk lowest reward fighter in the surrounding divisions. eubank will testify that he'll tell anyone and everyone to keep the hell away from joe, and although that's a great testament to joe, it'll also put doubts in the fighters mind, and as a result - it'd have been harder for him to get any big fights. Jeff Lacy made the mistake of seeing joe get kd'd twice (pretty flash, as joe didnt seem particularly hurt in either), and considering his age - he thought he could blow him away, joe did what the few people who believed in him said he could do all along - the rest is history. he's a natural SMW - LHW isnt his best weight class, and although he looked a lot faster than i remember seeing him in a while against jones - jones is shot and not a great guage to go by.

At the end of the day - in hindsight, there's not a lot joe could have done to get much better standing at the end of his career.. ottke would have sooner had a sex change than fight joe, not many other options really - that he didnt explore or were realistically a challenge.

(ps. you didnt quote anyone - why i asked)

[smoochp]

Originally Posted by dan-b

I'm speaking to the person who I quoted.

Do you not think at that point in his career Joe should've maybe been thinking "sod the WBO, I'm above their worthless strap"?

We all hate the WBO

[McGrain]

Hopkins is, generally, rated higher p4p than any other prosppective Calzaghe opponent.

Hopkins has just destroyed a p4p top 15 fighter (at the at time, according to Ring and others).

Hopkins was defeated only by split decision versus Calzaghe.

Hopkins may have improved since then.

He has a clear case for a rematch.

[acb_]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Hopkins is, generally, rated higher p4p than any other propspective Calzaghe opponent.

Hopkins has just destroyed a p4p top 15 fighter (at the at time, according to Ring and others).

Hopkins was defeated only by split decision versus Calzaghe.

Hopkins may have improved since then.

He has a clear case for a rematch.

Can't say it any better than this.

It should be this or Dawson.

[Starza]

Calzaghe's fight with Hopkins was a boring lackluster fight due to Bernard's style of spoiling. Bernard showed what a great fighter he is, and has been, most recently proving to not be totally shot with his destruction over Kelly Pavlik.

Bernard dominated Pavlik for 12 rounds thus proving Calzaghe's points win over Hopkins does in fact mean something. It means Hopkins is still a live fighter, one of the best in the world. His win over Pavlik also deludes some boxing fan's opinion on how a rematch would go between Joe and Bernard:

Hopkins has "promised" to go for the knock out, and be more aggressive in his future fights. There was a reason Bernard fought the kind of fight he did against Calzaghe, and the reason is: If Bernard opened up like he did with Pavlik against Calzaghe, he would have been beaten to the punch all night long. Calzaghe would win by wide UD in a rematch. Bernard would never try to be more aggressive in a rematch with Calzaghe, because he doesn't have the speed nor the stamina to out point Joe down the stretch. Some other reasons why a rematch is not only a boring thought, but why Hopkins will lose:

1. The April showdown between Calzaghe-Hopkins, was Calzaghe's first time fighting at LHW. He looked (Joe) more impressive against Jones, not only because Jones' defense isn't what Hopkin's is, and RJJ's unwillingness to spoil the fight, but in large part because he looks more comfortable now at LHW. Looks like Calzaghe has settled into the weight, after a long career of fighting at SMW.

2. Bernard is only getting older.


3. The rematch would be in Wales.


4. No Joe Cortez, thus, probably a ref who wouldn't put up with all the holding.

5. Calzaghe said he underrated thus underprepared for his fight with Hopkins due to his age. Given Saturday night's performance, I believe him. Given a rematch, I have no doubt Calzaghe (especially after seeing Bernard Hopkins totally own Pavlik) prepares like he did against Jones.


6. Hopkins knows that if he fights Calzaghe like he did Pavlik he'd lose.




Above are a few of my opinions on why a rematch is bogus. Besides, Calzaghe will probably retire, and personally, I hope he does. I may be a little biased in my opinions, because I'm a huge Kessler fan. I would love to see Kessler get a fight with Bernard. I read an article earlier but can't seem to find it, basically stating Kessler's promoter was pressuring HBO to make a fight possible between Hopkins and Kessler. Man, I would love to see it; it would be interesting to see if Kessler could outpoint Bernard, or how Kessler deals with Bernard's style!

Great site guys. I read the forum from time to time, and figured I would make a post. I'm a boxingscene outcast. Couldn't put up with the site anymore due to the crap.

[acb_]

Excellent 1st post Starza and you make some good points. Welcome to MBF by the way.

[Pimp C]

Funny shit by Calzaghe.

[Illmatic]

Originally Posted by dan-b

What's comedy is your veiled hate for Hopkins. At least I'm open about mine towards Calzaghe. Where is he claiming to be a victim? He wants a rematch, much like Reid did after he lost a split to Calzaghe.

While we're on the subject of rematches. I find it interesting that Calzaghe claims to not be interested in them when he managed to make time for a second fight with Mario Veit, a man he KO'd in one round.

Come on, Veit was a mandatory...twice. He lost the first time, won like 10 more fights, and the WBO ranked him #1 again.