Do You Value Movement/Fluidity or Economy In Boxers?

[acb_]

Masters of Economy-- the boxers that get it done with limited movement, conserving energy, making their opponents miss and countering with the most direct path available:

Pernell Whitaker
Roy Jones
Winky Wright
Christian Mijares

Masters of Movement/Fluidity-- the boxers that move effortlessly around the ring, using movement as a defensive tool, presenting a moving target:

Ray Leonard- just watched him against Haggler this morning
Ernesto Marcel
Fidel Bassa



---What is your personal taste?

[jecxbox]

This is really a hard choice acb lol

[acb_]

Originally Posted by jecxbox

This is really a hard choice acb lol

Tell me about it.

Your answer can be both. Just give examples of why. Its all subjective.

[salsanchezfan]

I appreciate the masters of economy more; watch Jose Napoles and you'll see what I mean:

He's always in punching range, but slips and slides and ducks and weaves without exaggerated movements. The, he feints and triples up on the left, slips again, and takes a step to the side.

It's harder to do that than to flit around the ring a lot. To do what he does, to stand in and still avoid trouble while inflciting your own damage, is a high art, and one that is largely lost now.

[jecxbox]

When I think of Fluid boxers I don't only think of just movers. I think of boxers like Mijares who can fluidly move around the ring in almost 1 gear the entire fight...Boxing extremely comfortably and so confidently that it seems like they aren't even in a fight.

When I think of Economic fighters I think of master strategist that have to follow a gameplan to a perfection for their games to go perfect. It takes a lot of skill to execute different game plans.

But fluid boxers are like eye candy the way they just go in that ring and do their thing without much concern. Would you agree with how I perceive the concept of fluid boxers? Do you think you have to be a mover to be fluid?

[Starza]

I appreciate and value both styles just the same. I love the stylistic battles between the two. I especially love when masters of movement/fluidity square of against masters of economy.

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by Starza

I appreciate and value both styles just the same. I love the stylistic battles between the two. I especially love when masters of movement/fluidity square of against masters of economy.

This is my thoughts as well.

By the way, reading the original list of masters.

Isn't Whitaker a master of BOTH styles?

[Brooklyn1550]

Originally Posted by kg0208

Isn't Whitaker a master of BOTH styles?

Yes

At welterweight, he featured more of the economy style as the movement from his lightweight days eroded.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by salsanchezfan

I appreciate the masters of economy more; watch Jose Napoles and you'll see what I mean:

He's always in punching range, but slips and slides and ducks and weaves without exaggerated movements. The, he feints and triples up on the left, slips again, and takes a step to the side.

It's harder to do that than to flit around the ring a lot. To do what he does, to stand in and still avoid trouble while inflciting your own damage, is a high art, and one that is largely lost now.

I have nothing to add to this, good post.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by acb_

Masters of Economy-- the boxers that get it done with limited movement, conserving energy, making their opponents miss and countering with the most direct path available:

Pernell Whitaker
Roy Jones
Winky Wright
Christian Mijares

Very interested that you went down this road in terms of economy. How about a fighter like Joe Louis or the more recent incarnation of Juan Manuel Marquez? Not counter-punchers neccesarily, but still economic fighters, minimum amount of steps, short, accurate punching etc.?

[teeto]

I like both, reason being i appreciate greatness in boxing whatever the aspect.

But i must say, the 'economy' guys really have me in awe over what they do.

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Very interested that you went down this road in terms of economy. How about a fighter like Joe Louis or the more recent incarnation of Juan Manuel Marquez? Not counter-punchers neccesarily, but still economic fighters, minimum amount of steps, short, accurate punching etc.?

I kinda feel like the guys listed by ACB are hybrids who could go either way. We know Jones and Mijares can move all over the ring while still getting to you as well as slow down the pace and simply use reflexes in short bursts.

When I think economy, I think Ricardo Lopez, Juanma currently, etc. Do I have the concept wrong?

[Illmatic]

I dont see why you can't do both. FMJ was very fluid and very economical. He always landed about 50 percent of his shots and made opponents miss with subtle movements, parrys, etc.

[teeto]

I get your point Illmatic, but saying you dont see why people cant do both and using Floyd as the example is a bit of an ironic one, them man was amazing!

[Illmatic]

Originally Posted by teeto

I get your point Illmatic, but saying you dont see why people cant do both and using Floyd as the example is a bit of an ironic one, them man was amazing!

Better be careful with that praise of Mayweather...its not very welcome around these parts.