Hatton's victory of Tszyu - Underated now?

[McGrain]

Ring magazine describes Kostya's previous outing - his distruction of Shama Mitchell as his "finest performance in years for the returning Tszyu". At the back of this win he was ranked at #3 in p4p by the magazine. Dan Rafael and Ring considered him the best in the divsion which included Mayweather, Cotto, Harris and Gatti.

Rafael: "Based on the fight with Mitchell I would say [Tszyu is] definitely not [slipping]."

Tszyu was installed as a 3-1 favourite early doors, though I can't remember what the odds were by fight night. Anyone?

Tszyu had fought 19 title fights in the preceeding ten years - he'd been fighting in title fights longer than Hatton had been proffessional.

Emmanuel Steward called the fight correctly: "I wouldn'e be surrpised to see Hatton beat Kostya,", but he also noted that, "I don't think it's a mistmatch like everyone else."

Seems most everybody from Ring, to Hatton's biggest fan Stateside, Larry Merchant to the bookmakers expected Hatton to get beaten. But Hatton pretty much broke Kostya in the same sort of way that Cotto was broken by Margarito.

Is this win now underated? Does Ricky get enough credit for it? How highly do you rate it?

[jecxbox]

Hatton's win over Kosta will forever be his most important and best win of his career by far. And I do think that his win over Kosta was underrated because people are severely mistaken to say that Kosta was washed up. He was FAR from it! Perhaps not his at his best but he was still a great boxer. And this win for Hatton almost has to be underrated because Kosta has always been a seriously underrated fighter to begin with. Kosta Tsyzu was one of my favorite fighters when he was doing his thing, he was a very classy fighter in that ring extremely skilled IMO.

[Illmatic]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Ring magazine describes Kostya's previous outing - his distruction of Shama Mitchell as his "finest performance in years for the returning Tszyu". At the back of this win he was ranked at #3 in p4p by the magazine. Dan Rafael and Ring considered him the best in the divsion which included Mayweather, Cotto, Harris and Gatti.

Rafael: "Based on the fight with Mitchell I would say [Tszyu is] definitely not [slipping]."

Tszyu was installed as a 3-1 favourite early doors, though I can't remember what the odds were by fight night. Anyone?

Tszyu had fought 19 title fights in the preceeding ten years - he'd been fighting in title fights longer than Hatton had been proffessional.

Emmanuel Steward called the fight correctly: "I wouldn'e be surrpised to see Hatton beat Kostya,", but he also noted that, "I don't think it's a mistmatch like everyone else."

Seems most everybody from Ring, to Hatton's biggest fan Stateside, Larry Merchant to the bookmakers expected Hatton to get beaten. But Hatton pretty much broke Kostya in the same sort of way that Cotto was broken by Margarito.

Is this win now underated? Does Ricky get enough credit for it? How highly do you rate it?

Its very underrated. Mostly b/c he lost to mayweather.

[MSTR]

It is not rated highly because the manner of the fight.

The ref was a total joke. It was like a freakin wrestling match in there, which played heavily to Hattons advantage. If Joe Cortez had been the 3rd man for this fight, i have no doubt the outcome would have been different.

That low blow was as deliberate as sin, and 4 times harder than anything Tszyu might have thrown accidently downstairs. Right at a pivotal time in the fight also.

The fight was still very close, with Hatton only right at the end really breaking down a veteran, who fought with an insanely stupid gameplan, especially for someone of his age.

[jecxbox]

Originally Posted by MSTR

It is not rated highly because the manner of the fight.

The ref was a total joke. It was like a freakin wrestling match in there, which played heavily to Hattons advantage. If Joe Cortez had been the 3rd man for this fight, i have no doubt the outcome would have been different.

That low blow was as deliberate as sin, and 4 times harder than anything Tszyu might have thrown accidently downstairs. Right at a pivotal time in the fight also.

The fight was still very close, with Hatton only right at the end really breaking down a veteran, who fought with an insanely stupid gameplan, especially for someone of his age.

, remember the horrendous body shot that Tszyu landed and Ricky got away from it by acting as if it was a low blow? When it was in fact a totally valid body shot! Was it just after this where Hatton literally castrated Tszyu with that ridiculous low blow of his own?

[dave82]

Originally Posted by jecxbox

, remember the horrendous body shot that Tszyu landed and Ricky got away from it by acting as if it was a low blow? When it was in fact a totally valid body shot! Was it just after this where Hatton literally castrated Tszyu with that ridiculous low blow of his own?

Yes!!!! Ref was a joke in that fight. Great win for Hatton

[MSTR]

Originally Posted by jecxbox

, remember the horrendous body shot that Tszyu landed and Ricky got away from it by acting as if it was a low blow? When it was in fact a totally valid body shot! Was it just after this where Hatton literally castrated Tszyu with that ridiculous low blow of his own?

Thats the one i was talking about... It was disgusting.

Still a good win, but it really detracted from it overall because of the manner in which it played out.

[smoochp]

You remember Hatton was the man after that fight. Then a couple weeks later Floyd destoyed Gatti. On the same undercard Harris got knocl out by Maussa. More importanly yall remember the faces Hatton and Cotto had during the Floyd vs Gatti fight. To bad none of those fights happened at 140. But it would have great for the weight class.

Good win for Hatton against Tszyu

[Illmatic]

Originally Posted by smoochp

You remember Hatton was the man after that fight. Then a couple weeks later Floyd destoyed Gatti. On the same undercard Harris got knocl out by Maussa. More importanly yall remember the faces Hatton and Cotto had during the Floyd vs Gatti fight. To bad none of those fights happened at 140. But it would have great for the weight class.

Good win for Hatton against Tszyu

Nobody at 140 wanted anything to do with Floyd after that Gatti bout. But apparently its his fault that those fights didnt happen. Only Zab had the balls to call Floyd out.

[smoochp]

Originally Posted by Illmatic

Nobody at 140 wanted anything to do with Floyd after that Gatti bout. But apparently its his fault that those fights didnt happen. Only Zab had the balls to call Floyd out.

If Zab would have took Baldo serious he could have made more money and also been demanding shit. Floyd played him also

[Illmatic]

Originally Posted by smoochp

If Zab would have took Baldo serious he could have made more money and also been demanding shit. Floyd played him also

yeah, that loss cost zab about 1.5 mill in the mayweather bout.

[Samurai]

Yes.

People often look at age to discredit a fighters win. It's sad, but some people would rather go out of their way to discredit someone than simply being a man and giving respect where its due.

Kostya Tszyu may not have been at his absolute best, but he could still whoop almost every Jr. Welterweight out there at the time. His rematch with Sharmba Mitchell is an excellent example of this. Nobody here is going to call Mitchell P4P material, but I remember people picking him to upset Tszyu, based on his inactivity and the fact that he troubled him in their first meeting.


Tszyu stopped him earlier than Williams and Mayweather did.


Now, shortly that, Hatton comes along and lots are predicting a knockout win for Tszyu. "Hatton has no defense, Tszyu is one of the hardest punchers in the world", "Hatton hasn't fought anyone on this level before". Hatton goes and wins, then the same people are like "Tszyu was washed up, Hatton beat a 36 year old man."

So it is almost like they look at it like "Oh, well he didn't win like I predicted him to. Therefore he must be washed up." Like as if Hatton didn't have anything to do with it but whatever. And earlier this year, Chad Dawson, had some trouble with Glen Johnson but still won the fight and he's crucified for "struggling with a 39 year old man". Everythings fine and all when the older guy is winning, but the second he loses age is always brought up. Fucking pisses me off.

This was a great win for Hatton, he looked so good that night. I don't think we'll ever see that same Hatton.

Sorry for the long post, this kind of thing just gets me fired up.

[MSTR]

Originally Posted by Samurai

Yes.

People often look at age to discredit a fighters win. It's sad, but some people would rather go out of their way to discredit someone than simply being a man and giving respect where its due.

Kostya Tszyu may not have been at his absolute best, but he could still whoop almost every Jr. Welterweight out there at the time. His rematch with Sharmba Mitchell is an excellent example of this. Nobody here is going to call Mitchell P4P material, but I remember people picking him to upset Tszyu, based on his inactivity and the fact that he troubled him in their first meeting.


Tszyu stopped him earlier than Williams and Mayweather did.


Now, shortly that, Hatton comes along and lots are predicting a knockout win for Tszyu. "Hatton has no defense, Tszyu is one of the hardest punchers in the world", "Hatton hasn't fought anyone on this level before". Hatton goes and wins, then the same people are like "Tszyu was washed up, Hatton beat a 36 year old man."

So it is almost like they look at it like "Oh, well he didn't win like I predicted him to. Therefore he must be washed up." Like as if Hatton didn't have anything to do with it but whatever. And earlier this year, Chad Dawson, had some trouble with Glen Johnson but still won the fight and he's crucified for "struggling with a 39 year old man". Everythings fine and all when the older guy is winning, but the second he loses age is always brought up. Fucking pisses me off.

This was a great win for Hatton, he looked so good that night. I don't think we'll ever see that same Hatton.

Sorry for the long post, this kind of thing just gets me fired up.

I don't really agree with your assesment of the fight, or even more so why the victory is under rated.

I've stated why in other posts in this thread.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by MSTR

I don't really agree with your assesment of the fight, or even more so why the victory is under rated.

I've stated why in other posts in this thread.

Its ok, 'cause to be honest I don't think it was a 'very close' fight.

[dave82]

Originally Posted by Samurai

Its ok, 'cause to be honest I don't think it was a 'very close' fight.

What you classify as close Sam? I had Hatton up by 2 points (i think) before the stoppage.