154=scary

boxingbull · 11-30-2008, 04:41 PM

Wow I have never seen this division deep like this I think its next to impossible for a fighter to clean out this division. Has 154 surpassed 147? I think the only issue with this division is star power 147 has that in Cotto and Margarito, other than that competition wise this is a hard core boxing fan dream. So many different clashes of styles too you got boxers, brawlers, etc.

Top Guns-Mid Level (No order)
Williams
Forrest
Santos
Dzinziruk
Quintana
Spinks
Martinez
Julio
Alcine

Gatekeepers
Mayorga
Mora
Phillips
Simms

Up and coming
Angulo
Greene
Martirosyan
Kirkland
Chavez Jr.
Hearnes
Duddy

jecxbox · 11-30-2008, 04:42 PM

Hell yea bro, I've been saying this for a while 154lbs has the potential to make so many good match ups and now we're finally realizing it now that 147lbs never really materialized anyways.

You forgot vanes martirosyan

boxingbull · 11-30-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jecxbox

Hell yea bro, I've been saying this for a while 154lbs has the potential to make so many good match ups and now we're finally realizing it now that 147lbs never really materialized anyways.

You forgot vanes martirosyan

My bads never heard of the guy is he up and coming, gatekeeper, or one of the top mid guys reason I ask is so i can add him.

boxingbull · 11-30-2008, 04:56 PM

Oh my bads i heard of this guy i forgot all about him somebody showed me him hes very talented I will add him

Brooklyn1550 · 11-30-2008, 04:57 PM

Martirosyan is an up-and-comer. Better than Ronald Hearns, but not as good as Angulo IMO. Good long-range boxer, good right hand, but looks a little distressed when faced with pressure.

Your list really puts into perspective how deep the division is. Alcine should be considered a top 10 guy as well, even though I haven't heard anything about him since he was knocked cold by Santos.

Jay · 11-30-2008, 05:02 PM

What about Hoya? Once he realises there could be money with some smart marketing....

The guy is a fool - he could give some good fights, and make a lot of money by going for 154..

boxingbull · 11-30-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

What about Hoya? Once he realises there could be money with some smart marketing....

The guy is a fool - he could give some good fights, and make a lot of money by going for 154..

I love Hoya and everything but this division at this stage of his career is his worst nightmare, I think he is already entertaining the idea of fighting the smaller Hatton. I do think if Margarito gets past Mosley and Cotto again he should consider moving up himself.

sues2nd · 11-30-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by boxingbull

I love Hoya and everything but this division at this stage of his career is his worst nightmare, I think he is already entertaining the idea of fighting the smaller Hatton. I do think if Margarito gets past Mosley and Cotto again he should consider moving up himself.

But it is the division he has campaigned at mostly for the past 4-5 years. True he is dropping down to fight...ummm, I mean, KO Manny...but he still needs to be mentioned here. It would be like leaving Williams name out of 147.

As for Margo moving to 154...I could see it happening after those fights, as you said, but not before. Only because if he does move up, the fight that still makes the most sense is the rematch with Williams...a fight he and his people obviously dont want any part of.

Sir Amsterdam · 11-30-2008, 05:23 PM

It's better than 147, could potentially be the most packed division in boxing if it isn't already.

Illmatic · 11-30-2008, 05:28 PM

we see this happen a lot, the division over the best division becomes the best after a couple years.

Remember when we said 140 was the best with Tszyu, Hatton, Cotto, Harris, Abdullaev, Pinto, Ricardo Williams, Panchito Bojado, Gatti, Leija, Camacho Jr, etc.?

Then a couple years later, 147 was the best with Cotto, Mosley, Mayweather, Margo, Williams, Berto, etc,.

Now its moving to 154.

We saw it when the best fighters of 126 started moving to 130 a few years ago.

Jay · 11-30-2008, 05:31 PM

168 is getting potentially very interesting now - although the problem is that kessler is still considered the big top dog - whereas with 140, 147 and 154 now - there is no clear top dog...

Sir Amsterdam · 11-30-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

168 is getting potentially very interesting now - although the problem is that kessler is still considered the big top dog - whereas with 140, 147 and 154 now - there is no clear top dog...

If 168 ends up being Kessler, Bute, Taylor, Pavlik, Andrade, Abraham, Bika, Inkin, Golovkin etc.

Then it's close to 2nd best.

smoochp · 11-30-2008, 05:43 PM

Yeah its a great class on paper. I just nobody avoids each other. But of course I like Angulo and Martinez. Hopefully Margo brings his ass up soon.

Sir Amsterdam · 11-30-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by smoochp

Yeah its a great class on paper. I just nobody avoids each other. But of course I like Angulo and Martinez. Hopefully Margo brings his ass up soon.

Let's stop talking about that.

boxingbull · 11-30-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Amsterdam

If 168 ends up being Kessler, Bute, Taylor, Pavlik, Andrade, Abraham, Bika, Inkin, Golovkin etc.

Then it's close to 2nd best.

Pascal, Froch, Dirrell, and Ward as well I had my eye on that division as well its looking good.

11-30-2008, 04:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
boxingbull Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New York Posts: 125	154=scary Wow I have never seen this division deep like this I think its next to impossible for a fighter to clean out this division. Has 154 surpassed 147? I think the only issue with this division is star power 147 has that in Cotto and Margarito, other than that competition wise this is a hard core boxing fan dream. So many different clashes of styles too you got boxers, brawlers, etc. Top Guns-Mid Level (No order) Williams Forrest Santos Dzinziruk Quintana Spinks Martinez Julio Alcine Gatekeepers Mayorga Mora Phillips Simms Up and coming Angulo Greene Martirosyan Kirkland Chavez Jr. Hearnes Duddy Last edited by boxingbull; 11-30-2008 at 05:02 PM.

11-30-2008, 04:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
jecxbox Erik Morales Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 1,982	Re: 154=scary Hell yea bro, I've been saying this for a while 154lbs has the potential to make so many good match ups and now we're finally realizing it now that 147lbs never really materialized anyways. You forgot vanes martirosyan Last edited by jecxbox; 11-30-2008 at 04:49 PM.

11-30-2008, 04:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
boxingbull Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New York Posts: 125	Re: 154=scary Oh my bads i heard of this guy i forgot all about him somebody showed me him hes very talented I will add him

11-30-2008, 04:57 PM	#5 (permalink)
Brooklyn1550 Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,790	Re: 154=scary Martirosyan is an up-and-comer. Better than Ronald Hearns, but not as good as Angulo IMO. Good long-range boxer, good right hand, but looks a little distressed when faced with pressure. Your list really puts into perspective how deep the division is. Alcine should be considered a top 10 guy as well, even though I haven't heard anything about him since he was knocked cold by Santos.

11-30-2008, 05:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
Sir Amsterdam Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,667	Re: 154=scary It's better than 147, could potentially be the most packed division in boxing if it isn't already.

11-30-2008, 05:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
Illmatic Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 980	Re: 154=scary we see this happen a lot, the division over the best division becomes the best after a couple years. Remember when we said 140 was the best with Tszyu, Hatton, Cotto, Harris, Abdullaev, Pinto, Ricardo Williams, Panchito Bojado, Gatti, Leija, Camacho Jr, etc.? Then a couple years later, 147 was the best with Cotto, Mosley, Mayweather, Margo, Williams, Berto, etc,. Now its moving to 154. We saw it when the best fighters of 126 started moving to 130 a few years ago. __________________ "I'm scared every time I step into the ring, but sometimes you just have to bite down on your mouthpiece and say 'Let's Go.'"

11-30-2008, 05:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
smoochp PacDbest is the man Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Eastside Vegas Posts: 3,742	Re: 154=scary Yeah its a great class on paper. I just nobody avoids each other. But of course I like Angulo and Martinez. Hopefully Margo brings his ass up soon.

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