I think Marquez will win by close decision

[cardstars]

my heart says JMM but my brain says Casa.....I should probably change my pick. LOL

something tells me this fight will be a huge controversy no matter the outcome

[Chuck_Youngblood]

I think Marquez edges him and wins a close decision. Casa's age is starting to show and he is slowing down. As I see it, it will be a very tactical affair and JM will win by being more active and throwing more combinations, catching Casa when he moves away.

[MSTR]

I am picking Marquez as well here. I think prime for prime, Casa wins this one on styles. Now though, is a different story. Katsidis apart from the KD's won most of the rounds in their fight. Cruz who is not the fighter Marquez is, was able to land on Casa also. I think Marquez is still good enough to find the openings, and land his punches. He still coems forward behind his punches quite well, and can fight off the front foot effectively when he needs to.Marquez has aged as well though, and it will be close. I just feel Marquez is better at this stage of their respective careers. Casa IMO has faded greatly.

[jecxbox]

Originally Posted by teeto

Yeah, theres no chance of Marquez stopping Casamayor imo

He'd have to put on an absolutely epic like display of accuracy and combination punching over the course of many rounds to be able to beat Casa up like that. Unlikely lol. I like both these fighters, I honestly think this is going to be very fun fight to watch because they're very different fighters.


PS - Don't be suprised if Casamayor slows the fight expecially in the 2nd half by clinching repetitively.

[Igor]

I've been leanings towards Casamayor to pull out the decision in this fight, but the closer it gets to the fight the more I'm ready to throw a lot of the analysis out of the window and just pick Marquez to win because of how faded I think Casa will be on Saturday.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by jecxbox

Casa may fade because of his age.

It's possible, but I thought against Kastidis, Casamayor looked the stronger man as the fight wore on.

I have no idea who is gonna win this because Casamayor is a better composite puncher than Pacquiao I'd say, he hits you when you aren't ready for it since they're counters and I'm not sure how JMM is going to react to that kinda shot at 135lbs.

Casa's punches are definitely going to have a different taste than Pacquiao's punches thats for sure.

I don't think I agree with you. I think Pacquiao is a better puncher than Casamyor, certainly now he's added the other hand.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by cardstars

Not to mention Casa won't be coming at JMM for him to counter. Personally I just think Casa is going to be too far past it to win though; while JMM isn't near shot by any means

I'm not alltogether convinced that this is the plan Casamyor will follow. He could wait and see how Marquez handles things on the inside, of course, but Casamyor is the naturally bigger man and Marquez has shown vulnerability to hard punches before. Don't be surprised if Casamyor looks to put a bit of pressure on in the first round before Marquez has warmed up all the way. I think it would be the right thing to do, it would make things very very interesting...we'll see if he does it.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Sir Amsterdam

Marquez is decent at pressing, but not at his best. He's also aging, people forget this. You have to think that if an aged Barrera gave him all he could handle by playing the mover/counter puncher in their bout, that an aged and larger Casa is a more difficult fight.

I think you re right in describing Marquez decent at pressing, though I also agree he is not at his best. The point is, Marquez doesn't press aggressively, he does it with footwork and positioing. Marquez doesn't position himself for aggressive punching, he positions himself to induce aggressive punching. He carries his counterpunching style with him. Very dangerous if he risks being outjabbed - which he did risk in the Barrera fight, though he came through alright - but I don't think he does risk being outjabbed from this position against Casamayor. That's the difference. That's why Marquez should be favoured.

I also don't feel that Marquez can hurt Casa, but that Casa can stun and drop Marquez.

I disgree slightly. I think that Marquez has to sit down a bit to hurt Casamyor, but it can be done. I agree with you that Marquez is the more vulnerble though.

[CJLightweight]

damn i also feel marquez might win this one, marquez still has fresh legs, he may be aging but the guy imo is not that far from his best.

[Pimp C]

If this was a prime Casa I would take him in a minute but I'm starting to lean towards JMM in this one.

[Sir Amsterdam]

I think you re right in describing Marquez decent at pressing, though I also agree he is not at his best. The point is, Marquez doesn't press aggressively, he does it with footwork and positioing. Marquez doesn't position himself for aggressive punching, he positions himself to induce aggressive punching. He carries his counterpunching style with him. Very dangerous if he risks being outjabbed - which he did risk in the Barrera fight, though he came through alright - but I don't think he does risk being outjabbed from this position against Casamayor. That's the difference. That's why Marquez should be favoured.

All good points... but I don't feel Marquez can match Casamayor in the footwork department, even past it, Casa still displays great movement, not quite as good defence but very competent still and relative timing, enough so to get Marquez off balance as Barrera did and control the match. I feel that Marquez has a better jab than Casa, but not pressing forward and I see Casa's straight counter hitting it's mark and if it goes inside the smaller Marquez getting tied up. Casamayor can also lead him to the ropes and fight effectively off of the ropes and the backfoot, unlike Pac and most of Marquez's recent bouts, including Barrera, whom at times seemed he just didn't have the timing he used to to pull the trigger at key points.

Expect some KD's to score for Casa, as you've pointed out. His sneaky counters are nasty. I'd be surprised if JMM didn't get floored, whether flash or really stunned.

I disgree slightly. I think that Marquez has to sit down a bit to hurt Casamyor, but it can be done. I agree with you that Marquez is the more vulnerble though.

I can see JMM stunning Casa, but it would have to be from a counter, not a lead. I don't see Casa turning this into a fight where JMM is in many positions to sit down fully and even so, he doesn't have the punching power of the much larger, albeit much lesser Katsidis that put Casa down in his last fight.

Katsidis turned out to be more difficult than he should have because Casa historically doesn't do that well against real pressure fighters stylistically, but here, I think JMM falls into too many traps.

Are there any real Casamayor fans on this forum yet? He's underappreciated at times.

[MSTR]

The casa that fought in his prime i was a fan of. Not this version, or the one that has fought in recent times.

I knew that if a fighter of Katsidis skill and speed could land on Casa, then Marquez certainly would.

[CJLightweight]

i had that fight for casa if that fight was for 10 rounds only..it didn't surprise at all at what happen to casa in this fight ^ you are correct, if an unskilled and less speed katsidis got to casa its no surprise marquez also did. prime for prime casa schools marquez as obvious in the early rounds

[McGrain]

Hindsight is 20-20, but I do think some guys seemed to miss the signs in the Kastidis fight. Until the KO, Casamoyor looked anything but top drawer.

[teeto]

So i got this one right guys!! But never expected the stoppage, havent seen the fight though, wasnt on in the UK.

BTW, im a Casamayor fan, always liked him, just think he's class.

Dont realy know how the bout went either, been busy over the weekend. Gutted totally that i couldnt see this.